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  ABC    This Week With George Stephanopoulos    News/Business.  (2013) White House senior adviser David  
   Plouffe; Presidential Inauguration Committee co-chair Eva...  

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good morning and welcome to "this week" at the inauguration >> i barack hussein obama do solemnly swear. >> as he prepares his inaugural speech, what comes next? >> we have to come up with answers that set politics aside. >> a new spirit of compromise or more partisan -- >> they will not collect a ransom for not crashing the economy. >> we talk to david plouffe and abc's george will, matthew dowd and cokie roberts plus jennifer granholm for the democrats and former presidential candidate rick santorum for the republicans. plus, how will the inaugural set the tone for the second term?
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we ask the star co-chairing the president's committee, eva longoria joins us live. hello again and welcome to inauguration day. it is, in fact, today. the constitution says a president's term ends at noon on january 20th and the official proceedings have already begun. just moments ago vice president biden took the oath at the naval observatory. supreme court justice sotomayor sworing him in and john robert also swear in president obama, a small private ceremony at the white house in advance of tomorrow's public event. about 800,000 expected right there at the national mall tomorrow far fewer than turned out four years ago for the first inaugural for president obama and everything about set where the president will deliver his inaugural address. our powerhouse roundtable
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standing by on what to expect but first happy to welcome david plouffe to "this week." >> thanks for having me. >> lay out the vision the president expects to deliver to the nation tomorrow. >> i think he is going to talk about how our founding principles and values can still guide us in today's modern and changing world. we do look at this in the state of the union as a package so in the inaugural he'll allow his vision for a second term, the detailed blueprint and ideas will be in the state of the union so i think you have to view these as a package and say that our political system does not require us to resolve all of our differences or settle all of our disputes but it is absolutely imperative that our leaders try and seek common ground when it can and should exist. an important part of the speech. >> you've been with the president all through this journey and i was struck something his biographer david mara nis noted. he said in the second term, it is less likely to contradict his will to do good.
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he's going to act with more assurance and he's going to show who he really is in his second term. is that what you see? >> well, i think one of his great strengths is his authenticity. he's always been the same person but i do think that it's clear, there's a huge consensus in the country about how he ought to approach the deficit and immigration and gun safety and i don't think he's going to be very frustrated if washington is completely divorced from the reality in the country so he's going to seek common ground. he's going to find every way to compromise but he's going to be pretty clear and we're also going to bring the american people more into the debate than the first term. >> what's the big difference in the president obama that took the oath four years ago and tomorrow. >> there's atmospheric differences. we had an economy collapsing all around us and he was a first term president and still putting together his team and agenda and cabinet and still the economy is too weak but recovering and the question is right now building on that as opposed to simply trying to stem the bleeding.
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big difference and i think the experience of the office as you know. you know, that helps a lot and so i think he does have even more sure-footedness in his approach. >> it can become a bit of a burden. historians write about the second term curse and i know you and your team spent a lot of time studying how to avoid that. what's the key? >> i think, listen, if you look at president clinton's second term he made progress on deficits and ronald reagan, tax reform. >> even if they're dealing with other problems. >> and we have been fortunate to want to continue that but you if look, it's not like we're roaming around the west wing looking for things to do. right now in front of congress and the country you have the need to reduce the deficit and continue to grow the economy, energy and climate change, immigration. gun safety. things are stacked up. and so i think that that is going to provide the sort of focus and energy you need and i think his intention is to run through the tape all the way through. >> gun safety has jumped to the top of the president's agenda
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since newtown and this week the president promised that the weight of his office behind these proposals but we're seeing a lot of resistance from democrats and want to show some of the reaction. senator max baucus "before passing new laws we need a thoughtful debate that respects responsible law abiding gun owners in montana instead of one side fits all directives from washington. senator tim johnson, "it makes common sense to not have one size fits all. senator mark begich "i feel like it's going to be hard for they of these pieces of legislation to pass." these are democrats. what is he going to bring to bear on that? >> it is a tough issue. i will say this, these are commonsense proposals that respect the rights of gun owners. let's start there. i think if you look at high-capacity magazines, assault weapons, universal background checks and school safety, august of these enjoy enormous support of the american people. democrats and republicans so i think that putting together the
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legislative coalition is going to be hard obviously but we're very confident. i do think things have changed since newtown, you know, senator manchin and republicans and democrats are thinking anew about this issue. >> but senator harry reid, the democratic leader and those snores i mentioned all signaling that the assault weapons ban is not likely to get through and will vote against it. will it be a success for the president if that doesn't pass? >> i'm not going to predict what may or may not happen. the president put forward a package and has taken actions on his own on mental health and background checks but proposals that will protect our kids and gun safety. we don't expect it all to pass or in its current form but think there's elements that are critical. i think there will be a big spotlight shone on this. >> he will twist the arms of democrats. >> we will twist them, democrats and republicans engage the american people and at the least have votes on this in the house
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and senate. i'm confident some of the measures you mentioned, universal background checks i think there are enough votes -- >> could be the trade-off democratic senators vote against the assault weapons ban but vote for -- >> we think the assault weapons ban is important. you were involved in 1994 and they're trying to deal with some loopholes in that legislation so think all these deserve votes and a lot can pass. >> you bought a little more time perhaps now on the big fiscal issues, taxes and spending and house republicans signaling that they would approve a three-month extension of the debt limit without any spending cuts and simply want to have a restriction on congressional pay. i know the president has said that he didn't want to sign any more short-term exceptions. will he make an exception in this case? >> we have to see what they're proposing. and they're going to have to pass it but, no, we don't think short term is the way to go about this. but on the other hand this is a big departure for them, you know. they were saying the only way
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they'll pay the bills they racked up is to -- i think they have. on this principle and that's very important. so listen, the question is, on the big fundamental issue of can we come together on a fiscal package that reduces the deficit in the long term and then helps us grow the economy in the short term i think the answer is yes. we're doing this in stages as opposed to one big package. >> the president likely to accept if they do indeed pass it and said he doesn't want to negotiate over the dealt limit but if they pass it there's a breathing space and will he start negotiations right now on the big budget issues after they pass this. >> we've been clear. we made public our offer to speaker boehner over a trillion dollar in additional spending cuts, 400 billion in entitlement savings. on top of the over trillion dollars we signed into law. so the barrier to progress here isn't our position of the president. we moved more than halfway which is a fair definition of compromise. and we are going to require more revenue. john boehner himself said, he
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thought there was $800 billion in revenue from closing loopholes. we dealt with the tax rate issue. now it's about loopholes and i think the country would be well served by tax and entitlement reform. >> both john boehner and republican leader mitch mcconnell said the revenue debate is over. no more taxes. are you saying that the president will only sign a budget deal if it includes new revenues? >> yes, it's got to be balanced. they weren't saying that a matter of weeks ago. speaker boehner said 800 billion from closing loopholes. what's changed in the last four weeks? nothing. there's plenty of loopholes whether shipping jobs overseas who get preferential tax treatment. the subsidies to the energy companies. loopholes for, you know, billionaires, there are things we can close here to make -- >> you're no deal if they don't -- >> we need balance, george. we need spending cuts and revenue. have to have that. >> let me talk about immigration. the president has identified immigration reform as another top priority of his second term. you mentioned it again. marco rubio has been taking the
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lead and jay carnie, the white house press secretary had positive words about his proposals this week. but marco rubio said this week on bill owe rile we'll show the president hasn't reached out. take a look. >> they never talked to us about it and the truth is the way our republic is designed the president can design whether to sign or not. >> you're a leader. shouldn't the president be conferring with leaders in the house and senate? >> well, we'll be more than happy to -- >> he hasn't called. >> no. >> why not? >> there's going to be a debate and process over immigration reform and i think during that process i think there will be discussions we, the president's administration have with members of congress and congress among themselves. what's clear, the stars are aligned for immigration reform. by the way it needs to be real immigration reform. >> won't you team up with rubio to get it done? >> there will be a process and do think there's broad republican support around the country. not as much in congress, but maybe we're beginning to see a change there. the stars are aligned for progress here on, you know,
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building on the border security progress we've made. holding businesses accountable in terms of hiring legal immigrants, in terms of a pathway to earn citizenship so i do think the moment is here right now to finally get this done. high-skilled workers for our businesses. >> those are all things he's talking about, as well. wouldn't it be more powerful if the president and key -- >> well, george, this process will begin shortly. another effort here to finally get immigration reform and at that point i think you'll see us working with democrats and republicans, people outside of washington, there's a huge consensus in the business community, in the faith community for immigration reform. so, yeah, our hope is we can do this, maybe this is an issue that doesn't have to be as hard as it should -- as it needs to be. should be something where there seems to be a consensus in the country. i think there is a political necessity for the republican party to do this and we believe it's the right thing to do for our country and economy. >> i know you want to put the weight of the president's campaign all these issues, new organization, organizing for action, a new political action
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committee. unlimited donations from corporations but the president will disclose all -- >> we will voluntarily disclose all donors and excited. the people who made the president's campaign in both '08 and '12 are great grassroots volunteers and they want to be out there organizing, driving message, holding people accountable on issues like immigration, you know, the deficit, jobs. gun safety, a lot of passion out there and so i think one of the lessons from the first term that we want to do better is, yes, there has to be an inside game. there also has to be an outside game. not either/or. you put them together. as you know, times that you really get fundamental progress and change in washington is where the american people focus and pushing and want to make sure we're in communication with them. >> i know you're advising organization but this is your last week at the white house. what do you miss most? >> it's just a privilege as you know to work in that building and you get a ph.d. on every issue facing the country and an
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awesome honor to spend time there and for me it's been a remarkable journey. six years ago today we were the longest of long shots running for president. now tomorrow he'll be giving a second inaugural address. a great moment where all of us who wanted to work in a campaign with this with grassroots energy for a candidate like this with amazing colleagues so it's been a remarkable journey. but what i'll miss most is just, you know, the president each and every day, you know, the integrity he brings to decision-making, the focus he has, the vision he has and that's why this second term, i'll tell you, in my remaining days he made it clear there's going to be no let-up. he'll push as hard as he can in the second term to continue to move the country forward building this progress and as i said the issues are stacked up. >> so you'll work hard but savor that moment tomorrow. >> absolutely. really soak it in. >> david plouffe, thank you very much. our powerhouse roundtable is coming up. eva longoria joins us live.
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their schools? >> the talk about the president's children or any public officer's children i think is reprehensible. >> i started getting a lot of letters from kids. >> i've been watching the children as human shields show. that is now going on at the white house. it's stunning. >> the gun debate already hot and heavy this week before the second term even begins, let's talk about that right now on our roundtable joined by george will, as always, cokie roberts, rick santorum, former republican presidential candidate and senator, now the head of patriot voices, former michigan governor jennifer granholm thanks for joining us and matthew dowd and, george, so much to get to. let's begin with the debate joined. it wasn't even on the agenda a couple of months ago, the president saying he's going to do everything he can to pass gun proposals but david plouffe signaling they're pretty realistic about what they can achieve. >> the endurable myth about the obama presidency to which he
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subscribes he's tremendously persuasive. i don't think his advocacy of obama care and the health care bill supports that. >> it did pass. >> it did pass with chicanery but he did not move the country which is what he's trying to do with the nra. obama's approval rating 52%, the nra's approval rating 54%. >> congress is 17%. >> since gun control came back to the top of the agenda, the nra has acquired 250,000 new members so we'll find out. you saw by putting up the statements from some of the democratic senators that there's a resistance in the democratic caucus because they have six seats up next time. >> all of those senators, i showed. >> in states where mr. obama got less than 42% of the votes, the republicans need to control the senate six seats. >> how hard does he push this, cokie? >> i think he pushes parts of
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it. the assault weapons ban is obviously a huge problem and that's what most people pushing back against. although it is interesting with the increased number of women in congress that it might have a better shot than 1994, 29% of republican men voted for the assault weapons ban and almost 70% of republican women. so you could see a difference because of that. but i think that background checks, waiting period, you bi is suicide. and to put in a waiting period could help with suicide. >> rick, how -- >> i think you could start to see some movement on those aspects. >> how do you think republicans shut play this. >> i think we should stick to our guns and, you know, george reminded me of something i said to him back in '94 when i ran for the senate in pennsylvania. he said am i going to win, i said guns. i don't think -- i think it's an even more important issue for people today given the increasing level of violence in our society.
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people feel unsafe and having a gun and gun ownership is part of how people can feel safer and when you look at in my opinion the disingenuousness of the administration, they met with the nra, as you know, joe biden did and the nra brought up the fact that prosecutions for gun crimes and prosecutions for people who fill out -- lie on their registration forms or gun forms are down under this administration and the vice president responded we don't have time to devote to see whether people fill out a form right. well, wait a minute. they're asking for more forms and saying they don't have the time to fill out -- to check -- are they serious about this or is this just about politics? >> well, first of all, let's be clear about why there has been fewerenforcements, the head of the atf said there is a failure to confirm because the nra has objected and they have objected to reasonable pragmatic
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solutions and that's what this is all about. this is not about taking people's guns away. it's about a narrow set of proposals that will enable us to help enforce the existing gun laws, the ban on assault weapons and a ban on high-capacity magazines and even a ban on armor piercing bullets. are overwhelmingly supported by the citizenry. 50% of men, 57% -- 59% of women support an assault ban, assault weapons ban. same number for a ban on high-capacity magazines. i think the president views this. he is really -- he sees himself as the protector in chief and that's true on foreign policy and it's true on domestic -- >> he clearly seems to have been permanently affected by the newtown tragedy, but how much -- if you were advising him how much should he invest in this at the beginning of what can a packed second term? >> he definitely was affected by it. every american was affected by what happened in that awful
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situation. i mean the president could have done a lot of this in the last four years which he chose not to do. he could have done a bunch on executive orders and decisions he chose not to because he understood the political problem with this. to me this whole issue -- i live in austin, texas, and texas is a place where people love their guns. i have owned five guns. most people know something has to be done. most people know there has to be something, how far does it extend is a question of debate. something will get passed -- go but i'm just -- >> before that, my fear is the real thing that won't get done is what the real issue is which is mental health. >> it's going to get -- >> it's huge. the way we treat mental in this country is in jail. we have no mental health treatment and it is shocking and it was, you know, liberal good intentions of deinstitutionization sending them out in a community where there was nobody to take care of them. >> he said he's called for investing up to $100 million in this project aware and have
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teachers, school officials identify people who might have mental health problems and be prepared to turn them in. >> the last bill jack kennedy signed was the deinstitutional bill and sent people into the society where we did not provide the community health matters. second point, the vast majority of people involved in gun violence are clinically sane. third point, defining assault weapons hard enough. try to define mental health and try to do so with respecting the privacy concerns with doctor and patient relationships. rick referred to the feeling of increased violence in the country. it's not true, though. you may feel that way but there's been a stunning drop in gun violence and murders, cut it half really in 20 years. >> except for the suicides and we had more troops commit suicide in afghanistan last year than were killed in combat. that happened with guns.
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>> and the other thing is there's been increase in these mass shootings. all of which are related to a combination of a gun, a high-velocity gun with large magazines and someone mentally ill and part of the system which i give the president credit for is there was an ability of people in hospitals and people in institutions to ask somebody that came in -- >> right. >> ill health, mentally ill and ask if there were guns in their home and even ask that question. >> the nra took that out of the -- >> the shooter in aurora had passed two background checks, the shooter at virginia tech had passed two background checks. so the idea there is a panacea out there -- >> there is not but what about the president's argument if it can stop even one of these, it's worth a try. >> well, how many people are you going to deny guns who you are going to protect themselves? there are more people who protect themselves and stop violence having -- below kurred -- having happened to them with the ownership of a gun
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than it is people who commit crimes with a gun. so this idea that the problem is -- >> what about the magazines? why have a magazine that can riddle a 6-year-old into shreds? >> here's what i would say about that. 50 years ago you could go on a catalog and buy a gun. there were no restrictions on gun ownership. no restrictions on magazines. no restrictions on anything. and we had a lot less violence in society than we do today. the idea of pointing to the gun instead of pointing to society and not one thing the president did dealt with hollywood and gun violence and video games and -- all of the vilification of violence. >> armor-piercing bullets, why do we need that? >> i'm not talking about that. >> but i am. >> i'm asking specifically. >> one at a time. >> you are too. [ all talking at once ] >> why do you need armor-piercing bullets? >> we're talking about a particular type of bullet that is and can be available -- >> armor, why do you need an armor piercing bullet.
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>> criminals could and having -- >> and police officers -- >> and having the ability to defend yourself is a right in this country. >> that has to be the last word. lots more roundtable ahead. can president obama avoid the second term curse. what to make of the tactical treat on the debt limit and everyone will weigh in on the confession of lance armstrong and our favorite desperate housewife eva longoria joins us live only on "this week." but there are some things i've never seen before. this ge jet engine can understand 5,000 data samples per second. which is good for business. because planes use less fuel, spend less time on the ground and more time in the air. suddenly, faraway places don't seem so...far away. ♪
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>> 2. dr in 1937, ike in 1957. we're told that president obama setting both those inaugural addresses as he prepares for his own. let's talk about that on our roundtable and bring you in, george will. one of the reasons he might be reaching back into history is that if you look at recent second inaugurals, not all that memorable and recent second terms not great records. >> i would guess he would reach back not to '57 but to '37 to fdr's very combative speech. in march 4th when we inaugurated back then 1801, thomas jefferson gave a speech saying we are all republicans, we are all federalists, we're all of one common principle. well, i don't expect to hear that from this president because he is combative and he does feel the will of the world. that election may have been the most important election in world history, it was the first time power had been peacefully transferred after an election. and this great healing moment.
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i think this president feels the way roosevelt did in '37. >> of course, nobody believes thomas jefferson and john adams snuck out of town ahead of time because he didn't want to be there to witness his defeater making that speech. so it wasn't exactly a healthy time but second terms have been rough. if i were obama i wouldn't pay attention to either of those speeches. i would be paying attention to the man on whose holiday this inauguration falls. >> martin luther king. >> martin luther king. >> because that is really what can make obama stand out. it was what made people excited about him in the first inauguration was this moment in history. it's yet another moment in history and it comes on the 50th anniversary of the march on washington, the 150th anniversary of the emancipation proclamation. >> interesting he'll take the oath on lincoln's bible and martin luther king's bible. >> if i were him i would pay attention to one of the best inaugural speeches at the time
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which is i think not exactly the same but most similar was 1865. >> lincoln's second term. >> lincoln's speech used the word "i" one time. >> setting the bar very high. >> but i think we are at probably in this country at one of the most divisive polarized times since the civil war and lincoln said we pray to the same god malice towards none, charity for all and all of that and i president should come with a sense of humbleness, a sense of humility and a sense that basically the biggest problem he has in this country is the divisions that exist in this country that have only been made worse in the course of hirst presidency. age divisions, sex division, church divisions, all the divisions that exist in this country he has to figure out a way to bring people together and solve some of the problems. >> which is why i think it's a good example. he take that and talks about inclusion. >> all well and good as long as you're talking about the broad values -- >> that's what an inaugural is. the state of the union is the policy. >> what do you expect to hear?
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>> oh, i think you will a hear more of the same. i think you're right, more 37 than 1860. this is a president who very clearly since the election has decided he won and he's going to drive it and he's not interested in compromise. i don't know. i don't think this speech frankly matters that much. i think what matters is what the president pushes and from what i hear, it's going to be guns, it's going to be climate change, both of which are nonstarters up on capitol hill and he knows it instead of -- want to see if the president really wants to make a difference. he'll lead with immigration. because there's not a single republican up on capitol hill who believes he wants to get it done. they all believe he wants that -- he will put -- he will put -- measure that the republicans can't accept and blame republicans and then continue to drive a wedge between republicans and hispanics and if he changes that and if he changes that and says, no, i'm willing to actually work together and get something we can all agree on, he will change the tone on capitol hill. don't expect it but that's
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what -- >> if republicans think he says he doesn't want to work on immigration, they have not been listening, the division in the country is right in capitol hill. the division in this country was brought together by the president who has formed these unbelievable coalitions of people which is exactly what is going to carry forward with this organizing for action and i think his inaugural address is going to speak to that unity. he's not going to be speaking to a congress that has an approval rating less than cockroaches and lisa cording to a poll last week, but he is going to speak to the humanity out there who want to see action happen and he is going to remind people, i think, that we are all in this together and that is his strength, he's not from inside washington but outside. >> the problem the president has had -- i hope he does that -- he ran a campaign in 2008 and many of us had this great hope and people -- he was going to bring the country together. he's going to change washington. he's going to do all that and in the course of his presidency we all want him to succeed because
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if he succeeds the country succeeds. it's only gotten worse and he has said the words -- >> but why -- >> some of that. >> no, no, no -- >> but the only person responsible, he is responsible to himself. i don't think -- he hasn't held dinners with congressmen. he's avoiding meetings with congressmen. he hasn't used the social power of the president -- >> he claims that they've avoided meetings with him, as well, he said in his last press conference but the truth is, we are dealing with a systemic problem in congress as you well know which is, you know, we used -- and we had 105 districts a few years ago. this election we had 35. so people are absolutely dug to their positions and it is very, very difficult to get anybody -- >> given that reality, george will, what could the president do if he wanted to to kind of bridge those divides? >> well, it's extremely easy. these are splittable differences on whether or not -- how and whether we're going to pay for the welfare state.
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you heard me before, george, i disagree with all four of you. i don't think this division is what characterizes this town. it's a vast, deep consensus we're going to have a large generous welfare state and not pay for it. everyone is agreed on that and until the arithmetic forces us to change on that, these other issues are small potatoes. >> rick santorum, house republicans certainly seem to feel some of the pressure on those issues this week. they announced at the end of the week they're not going to hold up this debt limit and seek a three-month extension on the debt limit to give some breathing space for negotiations. you know, you heard david plouffe say that is a cave by house republicans. >> well, listen to that language. republicans extend an olive branch, ah, they're caving. ah, we got them. that's not how a leader act. the governor didn't get anything done in michigan because every time she won she scrubbed it in their face and i always said
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there's one thing worse than a sore loser and that's a sore winner and the president is a sore winner and republicans understand that and this president could get immigration done. he could get something done on deficits and entitlements but he's got to move his people to do that instead of forcing republicans always to come his way and that is the problem. >> i just -- i mean, the reality from the lens on the left and truly if you ask people out there, i think they would agree is that when the house republican caucus sent all those -- that made it impassable for john boehner to move, sent there for the purpose of not compromising for the purpose of saying no, that made compromise virtually impossible. the president has indicated he's willing to compromise. he has angered his base but on the right that caucus is dragging the country down. >> i'm going to agree with something george said, i think the fundamental problem is nobody is willing to do anything about the fiscal mess.
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nobody. republicans aren't willing to do it and democrats aren't willing to do it. they're both interested in blowing up the balance sheet. they're unwilling to raise taxes and want to keep low. democrats are willing to blow it up because they want to continue government spending and increase the size of the government. >> we are -- [ all talking at the same time ] >> you've seen -- a trillion and a half dollars in spending cuts and saw $600 billion in new revenue. they have been taking -- >> george, if you take a look at what really was done dealt with the easiest 3% or 4% of the problem. first mile of a marathon and want to celebrate at the half marathon mark when they got -- >> that's why what the republicans did was smart. first of all, they took the debt limit and default and shutting down the government off the plate. but they also said, we want because this is the one place where they are getting through to people. we want the senate to pass a budget and they are correct --
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>> which they haven't in four years. >> the senate haven't done it because the democrats don't want to say where they would cut and that is a smart political move to make. >> instead of fighting the president fighting democrats in the senate. >> that's right, and the two big occasions coming up are march 1st which is when the sequester kicks in and there are a large number of republicans who have concluded that there will be no spending cuts other than by the sequester so the question -- >> across the board cuts and -- >> half from defense, which is 17% of the budget, so the question is do republicans hate defense cuts less than they would like to see the spending cuts on the domestic side? my -- after that comes march 27th which is when the current continuing resolution on -- that funds the government expires so we're going to have real debates about real splittable differences. >> the other thing, george, that's going to happen and i think this will begin the process is that every day that goes past the inauguration is a loss of power day for the
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president. and you have -- you basically now have a party, the democratic party will function with him but it's been a cult of personal. fundamentally a cult of personality around the president. they'll have to figure out where they go from here and what's going to happen. the republicans are a cult of no personality and no people and they're going to have to figure out so each day goes forward i think we'll have -- increasing inability for somebody to stand up and say i represent what the republicans are. right now the republicans, the governor is right they're lower than cockroaches. i think cockroaches are happy about the republicans and democrats as soon as this personality and days fade and cult of person facility begins to go they'll be in search of somebody. >> is this a problem with a second term because of term limits? you know, term limits mean that you can't ever run again. and so the minute you have, you know, gone through this nice exercise then they stop paying attention to you because they're worrying about who is they're going to run with? >> i think the second term is the curse of the second term that everybody refers to -- has a potential of being damaging for the president but if the
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republicans continue to take very unpopular positions on issues that the public really wants to see movement on then the second half in his second term if he's able to pick up more members of the house and of the senate, he could finish with a -- >> that's going to be very difficult in 2014 but let me pick up on i think you're right, the clock is ticking. speed matters on all of these issues and let me ask you, governor granholm, immigration, marco rubio clearly coming forward with proposals that are certainly similar to what the president has called for, yet no phone calls from the president, no move to actually, you know, create some kind of united front that will get something done quickly. >> i think that is going to happen. immigration is going to be first up. that's his top priority. obviously he's got to reach out to the senate. the real question is will there be a consensus on a path to citizenship? that's the toughest issue for i
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think republicans and the question of the time frame for that. so if there is a consensus on that, i think -- i mean i think immigration is going to be the biggest area of momentum -- >> when you look back, governor, there are 20 issues on immigration and you just nailed the hardest one. >> right. >> and you're saying, okay -- only serious about doing something on immigration if you concede on the one that is the most difficult to occur. >> that won't be part of i it? >> i think it is the toughest issue for republicans. >> you mean dealing with 11 million -- >> is citizenship. that's the toughest issue and this is what -- this is how the white house works. you give us the touchdown and then, you know, we'll -- then maybe we'll worry -- if you concede failure -- if you concede kapit layings we'll give you everything you want then we arary okay, that's not the way you negotiate. >> but here's where the republicans are already setting themselves up for defeat. the president offers "x," the
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rubio exam is "x" minus "y". all anyone will notice is the "y," that is, the failure to reach citizenship. if the republicans want to do it they have to get to the left, if you will. they have to be more generous on immigration than the president. >> but republicans have -- >> comes -- >> huge political problem for the republicans because if -- the republicans will become and remain a minority party unless they deal with the latino and hispanic issue in this country and they will remain -- it's the fastest growing group in the country growing in every sector of the country and that's a problem. to me if you look back at president bush's second inaugural in 2005 and what he did in the aftermath, it was the biggest mistake he made which many of us talked to him about was choosing to do social security instead of immigration. if he had done immigration the presidency would have been different. >> he actually said to me because he invited me to ride with him to go greet the pope at andrews, it was quite a moment and i've cleared my calendar so i could do it and we -- he said
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to me, i tried and tried and tried to get my party to do immigration and the reason i couldn't do it was because of the drawing of district lines making it just too hard for republicans -- >> are republicans now, rick santorum? >> i think the republicans are ready to do something on immigration. you saw marco rubio which is pretty far down the road. looks a lot like what president bush put forward four years ago, yes, they're willing to do it but they're not willing to give the president everything he wants because i think they believe the rule still matters in this country and that we have to respect those who did it the right way who waited in line and did -- and made sacrifices and that they shouldn't be treated the same as people who broke the law and came here and get the same -- >> i want to get another subject in. we saw this remarkable i guess we call it a confession from lance armstrong this week. 2 1/2 hours with oprah winfrey. here's a part of it. >> did it feel wrong? >> no. scary.
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>> did you feel bad about it? no. even scarier. >> did you feel in any way that you were cheating? >> no. the scariest. >> not a lot of contrition there. >> the rewards of athletic excellence in this country are astonishingly high and therefore the temptation to cheat is astonishingly high and we see it throughout -- we've seen it in track and field probably more than any other. baseball has had its problem. you can't tell me the people in football don't look that way without human growth and hormones and steroids. it's a pandemic problem and the country is wide awake to it now. every time this happens someone says the loss of innocence. who is innocent? i mean -- >> he was such a bully about it. i mean all those years of saying, no, no, and suing people and all of that.
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no, it's just -- it's so outrageous. it's sort of another whole level of outrageousness. >> you know, i know lance. i've been to lance's house. i've been out to dinner with lance. i live in austin, the whole sort of cult of lance and all that. to me there's a couple of fundamental things about this. it's first is this is what happens i think as a society when we elevate cel fame, fortune above many other values in society that integrity and telling the truth and so we think we can consider heroes not the person the average person out there paying their bills on time telling the truth, raising a family, loving their partner, all of that stuff, the cult of personality takes over. the other thing about this, there's been so many people harmed in this i feel really bad for his kids, especially his boy. >> the one place he broke up talking about his boy. >> i feel very bad but this is what happens bullies and all of this happens we see it before. these are people that operate because they're very scared. very insecure and operate from a place of fear. much of what happens on capitol hill when people operate from that place, they're unwilling to confront the truth.
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>> fear would also -- when people have had kind of power, rick santorum, this other piece of so many politicians think they can outrun the truth and they never can. >> right. but he did. >> for awhile. >> well, but he did. >> ultimately -- >> he's worth hundreds of millions of dollars. i mean he's got a life that, you know, people would -- you know that what's the lesson? the lesson you make a confession on oprah and you're shamed and but -- look at the life he's lived. i mean he made -- he did it. can he -- that's the problem. what's the lesson that's really being learned? >> i agree. >> i don't think -- i mean i think -- i think if you go in there and maybe over time and maybe over the next year and sometimes when people have to speak that they started with a first step and that doesn't feel awkward and then maybe a year from now the steps feel awkward i don't think he feels good about himself. i don't think he feels good about his life actually and if he reflects on it and what he's done to his children -- >> maybe -- >> the foundation did a great
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deal of good and now it's going to be -- >> everybody badly. he treats waiters batly. he treats waitresses badly. he treats wives of tour de france winners badly. that's not a life i would want be to living. >> can he be redeemed? >> i don't want to. i don't know about others. it's cheating on big and small levels. it's such a terrible message for young people, for anybody in the sports world -- for anybody in the political world for anybody anywhere. it's a terrible message. i'm not ready -- >> look, i'm not -- obviously not condoning anything. i'm just saying from his perspective. what i saw in that interview i don't think he would have changed a thing. number one. number two, the organizations who run these whether major league baseball or the olympics, they turn a blind eye to this and have for a long time, you know, and they don't -- they -- >> money. >> it's all about money, these organizations and that is as much to blame as lance armstrong. >> and that is the last word today. thank you all for a terrific
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♪ at last >> the last inauguration,
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beyonce at the inaugural ball. she will be back at tomorrow's ceremony with the national anthem, kelly clarkson and james taylor will sing too and another big star co-chairing these events and joins us now, eva longoria, welcome to "this week." >> hello. how are you? >> this is your first inaugural but the president's second so how does he recapture the magic the second time around. >> oh, there's a lot of magic here but it's my first so it's my -- you know, first experience. i think there's something beautiful to a recommitment to the people of this great nation and to see him, you know, do that today. i saw vice president get sworn in earlier today. >> it's begun. >> yes, and, you know, there's a lot of magic happen, sonia sotomayor being the first hispanic to swear in a president was a big moment for us and our community so a lot of firsts still happening. >> and you are everywhere this week including the cover of "the wall street journafront page, e role, hispanic activist in washington. it goes on to say "her role
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reaches beyond fund-raising and speech making and into policy and strategy age urged mr. obama to make a key change in immigration policy last year." they call you a power player. >> i don't know what that means. >> but you are trying to affect policy. >> absolutely. absolutely. i mean i'm trying to do my part as a citizen and my part as a hispanic and as a woman and as an american. so, you know, i enjoy it. i think everybody should be civically engaged in a level that would affect policy. that's the point. that's how our government is set up. >> you heard the debate on our roundtable. >> i did. >> about immigration. >> i was out there on a little speaker. >> put yourself at the table with them. how does the president get that done? >> yeah. >> this time around? >> well, you know, it's -- he's made it very clear it will be a top priority and, you know, there was a historic mobilitization with the hispanic vote. the most contentious issue you were talking about was citizenship and there's many
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tenets to it and when people say get in the back of the line people don't realize there's a hundred lines to get into and if you're in that line then you weren't supposed to be in that line, you got -- it's a very broken system and what i am hopeful about is that this administration and particularly president obama sees that immigration is an economic issue. it's also for me a humanitarian issue, but if we approach it economically we have to understand that we are dependent upon a labor in this country, specifically agriculture, to provide low-cost products and they're jobs that nobody else is doing. >> i know one of the other things you're focusing how to prevent it from becoming a partisan issue. how do you reach out across party lines on this? >> well, you know, i think -- i think republicans are coming around to the idea that they're going to have to compromise with the president on a lot of issues, immigration being one of them because immigration in particular i think the republicans are going to realize
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if, you know, they don't do it because it's morally imperative they have to do it because it's politically imperative and if they' they're not they have to do it because it's economically imperative so there's a lot of gains no matter what party affiliation to get it done and fix the problem. >> the wa"wall street journal" says you haven't ruled out a run -- >> my great state of texas -- no, i've always said the power is with citizens. i love doing what i do. i think, you know, it's interesting and it's all of our responsibility to be involved in a way i'm involved and, you know, i'm not running for office. i respect everything that politicians do. i think it's a very, very big job. it's their day job. it's not my day job. i'm just doing what i can to help the communities in which i came from. >> good luck with that. good luck this week. eva longoria, thanks very much. >> thanks. >> now we honor our fellow
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americans who served and sacrificed. this week the pentagon released the name of one soldier killed in afghanistan. and as we take a look at president obama laying a wreath at the tomb of the unknown at arlington cemetery this morning we invite you to stay with abc news throughout the inaugural ceremonies. diane sawyer and i will be back just before noon for a special report as president obama is formally sworn in by chief justice roberts brief private ceremony in advance of tomorrow's public celebrations and abc news covers it all starting at "good morning america" at the newseum and diane and i joined by special guests will bring you every event of the day through the inaugural parade. david muir will be here with a special edition of "world news sunday" tonight and i'll see you tomorrow on "gma."
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